Anti-Zionism, Pro-Israel

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I don’t like Zionism.  I don’t like any form of nationalism that’s based on to whom (or where) you were born.  I also don’t like Judaism — or any other religion, for that matter.

I think indigenous rights arguments are stupid because as far as I am concerned, being born in a place makes you as “native” to that region as someone whose family has lived there for generations.  And most Israelis who are alive today are indeed native-born.

I’ve said before that I think it was a terrible idea to establish a Jewish state smack-dab in the middle of such a hostile area, but what’s done is done.  Israel is there, and it isn’t going anywhere unless its neighbors succeed in their ambition to push the Jews into the sea.

I like Israel because it is a Western-style democracy and a close ally to the United States.  I have tremendous respect for what the Israeli people face on a day-to-day basis.  I can’t even imagine what it must be like knowing that you are surrounded on all sides by people who quite literally want to genocide you.

Overall, I think Israel is pretty goddamned badass.  So yeah, I’m anti-Zionism, anti-Judaism, pro-Israel, and only anti-Semitic at family gatherings.

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[Facebook] Anti-Z ≠ Anti-S ≠ Anti-I

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Yes, the vast majority of people who claim to be anti-Zionism probably are anti-Semitic.  (This has certainly been my experience.) But it’s still important to keep the two concepts distinct, or else you risk demonizing people for something they are not.  And the more empty charges get flung around, the more dismissive people become of the real thing.

It’s also important to recognize that true anti-Zionism needn’t entail being anti-Israel.  It’s perfectly possible to reject the principles of Zionism while remaining a strong supporter of Israel and its people.

[Facebook] Anti-Z, Pro-I

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Most of the time Anti-Z is simply code for Anti-S, and the one follows from the other.  Most of the time — but not always.  I don’t understand why you keep insisting the two are equivalent, unless you are deliberately being provocative.  (In which case I support you 100%.) 👌

And for the record, it is perfectly possible to be opposed to Zionism yet still be Pro-Israel.

I don’t like Zionism. I don’t like ethnicity-based nationalism period.  I think national identity is properly derived from the values of it people, rather than people deriving their the values from any fixed ancestral or cultural identity.

I couldn’t care less about these “indigenous rights” arguments you’re always having.  Whether or not a Jewish state SHOULD have been established smack dab in the middle of a very hostile area is a moot point — Israel is there, and as far as I’m concerned, anyone who was born there (which at this point is probably the majority of the population) has just as much right to be there as someone whose ancestors have lived there for centuries.